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os2 coexisting with win95

Please help!

I prefer Warp as an operating system. However, reality now forces me to
install Win95 too. Can somebody suggest a page on the web where to find
a list of instructions how to do this.

I have two machines:

First one: Has installed Boot manager with choices Warp (HPFS) and Dos
7.0 (FAT), both on C:, but hidden from each other. My idea is to install
Win95 together with Dos (os replacing it). Can this be done and in that
case how?

Second machine: This is a new one, comes with Win95 only preinstalled. I
want to install warp 4.0 together with Win95. Since this machine has no
other programs installed it is easy to erase Win95 and start from
scrach. How am I to do this.

Any help appreciated! prefferrably in a listed form or pointings to a
webplace where information can be found.

New years greetings from:

Madis Kajandi

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16 Responses to “os2 coexisting with win95”

  1. admin says:

    On 12/26/97 at 03:02 PM, Madis Kajandi <"Madis Kajandi"> said:

    >Please help!
    >I prefer Warp as an operating system. However, reality now forces me to
    >install Win95 too. Can somebody suggest a page on the web where to find a
    >list of instructions how to do this.
    >I have two machines:
    >First one: Has installed Boot manager with choices Warp (HPFS) and Dos
    >7.0 (FAT), both on C:, but hidden from each other. My idea is to install
    >Win95 together with Dos (os replacing it). Can this be done and in that
    >case how?

    Install Win95 over the Dos. It will warn you about losing your OS/2.
    Ignore all warnings. After fully installing your win95 (Boot manager is
    lost by now) & veryfing everything; boot from the OS/2 install disks ..
    abandon the install process to the A prompt after DISK1. Run FDISK & set
    the boot manager partition as starteable. Bingo. You are done & back as
    before, with Win95 instead of DOS.

    >Second machine: This is a new one, comes with Win95 only preinstalled. I
    >want to install warp 4.0 together with Win95. Since this machine has no
    >other programs installed it is easy to erase Win95 and start from scrach.
    >How am I to do this.

    Why kill win95? Purchase Partition Magic!. Reduce the size of the Win95
    partition leaving enough HD for OS/2 & a Boot Manager Partition (remember,
    it has to go into the first 1024 Cylinders). Format the new OS/2 partition
    as HPFS & install OS/2 there.

    Another BINGO!

    ————————————-
    Andrey Lasichuk (and…@promobility.net)
    —————————————

  2. admin says:

    On Fri, 26 Dec 97 09:58:10 -0500, c…@my.sig wrote:
    > >Second machine: This is a new one, comes with Win95 only preinstalled. I
    > >want to install warp 4.0 together with Win95. Since this machine has no
    > >other programs installed it is easy to erase Win95 and start from scrach.
    > >How am I to do this.

    > Why kill win95? Purchase Partition Magic!. Reduce the size of the Win95
    > partition leaving enough HD for OS/2 & a Boot Manager Partition (remember,
    > it has to go into the first 1024 Cylinders). Format the new OS/2 partition
    > as HPFS & install OS/2 there.

    Only one problem here:  the C:\WINDOWS directory (with Win95) will be seen by
    the OS/2 install and it will want to migrate the Windows parts into WIN-OS/2.
    And unlike with Win3.1 on that other partition, this is NOT GOOD if it’s
    Win95.

    So my trick is simply to rename the Windows directory to C:\WIN95 temporarily
    and then perform the OS/2 install.  This will build a WIN-OS/2 that is
    absolutely pure and virgin, permitting installing all 16-bit applications
    manually and guaranteeing that everything will work properly.

    Once the OS/2 install is finished you can rename the C:\WIN95 partition back
    to C:\WINDOWS.  Actually this can take place immediately after the OS/2
    install, as the subsequent installation of 16-bit apps into WIN-OS/2 has
    nothing to do with the other Windows partition and will not be influenced by
    it.

    Note:  this problem and solution has nothing to do with how the OS/2 partition
    gets created… either through Partition Magic or by FDISK/FORMAT and
    reinstalling Win95 as well as OS/2.  It is caused by the desire of the OS/2
    install to copy things from any directory named WINDOWS into \OS2\MDOS\WINOS2
    and \OS2\MDOS\WINOS2\SYSTEM.

    Anyway I’ve used this virgin WIN-OS/2 approach for years, with wonderful
    results with my 16-bit Windows apps.


    //
    //   Darryl Sperber  (sper…@airmail.net)
    //

  3. admin says:

    On 12/26/97 at 10:03 AM, sper…@airmail.net (Darryl Sperber) said:

    >On Fri, 26 Dec 97 09:58:10 -0500, c…@my.sig wrote:
    >> >Second machine: This is a new one, comes with Win95 only preinstalled. I
    >> >want to install warp 4.0 together with Win95. Since this machine has no
    >> >other programs installed it is easy to erase Win95 and start from scrach.
    >> >How am I to do this.

    >> Why kill win95? Purchase Partition Magic!. Reduce the size of the Win95
    >> partition leaving enough HD for OS/2 & a Boot Manager Partition (remember,
    >> it has to go into the first 1024 Cylinders). Format the new OS/2 partition
    >> as HPFS & install OS/2 there.
    >Only one problem here:  the C:\WINDOWS directory (with Win95) will be
    >seen by the OS/2 install and it will want to migrate the Windows parts
    >into WIN-OS/2. And unlike with Win3.1 on that other partition, this is
    >NOT GOOD if it’s Win95.
    >So my trick is simply to rename the Windows directory to C:\WIN95

    OOPS.. RIGHT!! forgot about that.  Thanks for that correction.

    —————————————
    Andrey Lasichuk (and…@promobility.net)
    —————————————

  4. admin says:

    On 12/27/97 at 11:12 AM, "Robert Delfs" <rde…@nospam.hk.net> said:

    >I installed Win95 over DOS and Windows 3.1 in just the manner described
    >below, which seemed to work fine.  
    >However, I’ve lost the ability to run MSOffice apps out of OS/2 or
    >WinOS2/2.  The
    >16-bit MSWord and Excel will run out of Win95.  The only reason I have
    >WinOS/2
    >installed is that I occasionally need to read/edit/produce
    >documents in these formats.  
    >Is there any way to restore ability to run these MS apps without
    >rebotting to Win95.

    Re-install the apps into win-os2. I have NEVER trusted an " upgrade type"
    of install of OS2. Install OS/2 with NO apps picked up from ANYWHERE. Then
    install the aps individually into winos2. I have had some success in
    win3.1 in installing them AGAIN in win31 over top of the directories used
    by winos2, but I have stopped that practice. The only thing I now share is
    the DATA directories where my own files are.. thus the data available to
    both systems.

    How about going through the creation of a seamless app (of a MS app) in
    the proper manner & seeing if that works. You must be prepared that Win95
    changed some of the files that may have been used by OS/2 & are no longer
    compatable with win-os2.

    >On Fri, 26 Dec 97 09:58:10 -0500, c…@my.sig wrote:
    >…..[snip]…..
    >>Install Win95 over the Dos. It will warn you about losing your OS/2.
    >>Ignore all warnings. After fully installing your win95 (Boot manager is
    >>lost by now) & veryfing everything; boot from the OS/2 install disks ..
    >>abandon the install process to the A prompt after DISK1. Run FDISK & set
    >>the boot manager partition as starteable. Bingo. You are done & back as
    >>before, with Win95 instead of DOS.
    >Robert Delfs <rde…@hk.net>

    —————————————
    Andrey Lasichuk (and…@promobility.net)
    —————————————

  5. admin says:

    I installed Win95 over DOS and Windows 3.1 in just the manner
    described below, which seemed to work fine.  

    However, I’ve lost the ability to run MSOffice apps out of OS/2 or
    WinOS2/2.  The
    16-bit MSWord and Excel will run out of Win95.  The only reason I
    have WinOS/2
    installed is that I occasionally need to read/edit/produce
    documents in these formats.  

    Is there any way to restore ability to run these MS apps without
    rebotting to Win95.

    Thanks and regards,
    Robert Delfs

    On Fri, 26 Dec 97 09:58:10 -0500, c…@my.sig wrote:

    ….[snip]…..

    >Install Win95 over the Dos. It will warn you about losing your OS/2.
    >Ignore all warnings. After fully installing your win95 (Boot manager is
    >lost by now) & veryfing everything; boot from the OS/2 install disks ..
    >abandon the install process to the A prompt after DISK1. Run FDISK & set
    >the boot manager partition as starteable. Bingo. You are done & back as
    >before, with Win95 instead of DOS.

    Robert Delfs <rde…@hk.net>

  6. admin says:

    In <34a3f707$1$naqerl$mr2…@news.interramp.com>, c…@my.sig writes:
    >On 12/26/97 at 10:03 AM, sper…@airmail.net (Darryl Sperber) said:

    >>Only one problem here:  the C:\WINDOWS directory (with Win95) will be
    >>seen by the OS/2 install and it will want to migrate the Windows parts
    >>into WIN-OS/2. And unlike with Win3.1 on that other partition, this is
    >>NOT GOOD if it’s Win95.

    >>So my trick is simply to rename the Windows directory to C:\WIN95

    >OOPS.. RIGHT!! forgot about that.  Thanks for that correction.

    I have a C: with IBM DOS, and D: with OS/2 in an extended partition.  Is
    it possible to install Win95 into a separate partition and preserve DOS?
    Is there an advantage to this?  I like having a primitive OS like DOS
    that I can fall back on when my machinations in the more complex OS’s
    screws something up!

    //——————————————————————–
    // Matt DeCaro
    // mdec…@erols.com
    // deca…@jefline.tju.edu

  7. admin says:

    On 12/27/97 at 04:35 PM, mdec…@erols.com (Matt DeCaro) said:

    >In <34a3f707$1$naqerl$mr2…@news.interramp.com>, c…@my.sig writes: >On
    >12/26/97 at 10:03 AM, sper…@airmail.net (Darryl Sperber) said: >
    >>>Only one problem here:  the C:\WINDOWS directory (with Win95) will be
    >>>seen by the OS/2 install and it will want to migrate the Windows parts
    >>>into WIN-OS/2. And unlike with Win3.1 on that other partition, this is
    >>>NOT GOOD if it’s Win95.

    >>>So my trick is simply to rename the Windows directory to C:\WIN95

    >>OOPS.. RIGHT!! forgot about that.  Thanks for that correction.
    >I have a C: with IBM DOS, and D: with OS/2 in an extended partition.  Is
    >it possible to install Win95 into a separate partition and preserve DOS?
    >Is there an advantage to this?      I like having a primitive OS like DOS that
    >I can fall back on when my machinations in the more complex OS’s screws
    >something up!

    I had a 2Meg C partition with _all_ the  programmes and DOS directory on
    another drive(D). I cannot remember exactly, but I made enough room on the
    primary drive to hold a WIN95 C, and hid all the dos & windows directories
    from 95. (Of course I had boot manager from OS/2) I then installed 95 into
    the vacant primary C. After re-surrecting boot manager, I had C/95 & os2
    no problem. I’m not sure whether or not the 2 meg dos was screwed or not.
    But recovery would be simple. Set it as the C partition, boot from a dos
    floppy. Do a SYS C: & copy your SAVED config.sys & autoexec.bat back to it
    & you are back in business.

    —————————————
    Andrey Lasichuk (and…@promobility.net)
    —————————————

  8. admin says:

    On Fri, 26 Dec 97 09:58:10 -0500, c…@my.sig wrote:

    :>Install Win95 over the Dos. It will warn you about losing your OS/2.
    :>Ignore all warnings. After fully installing your win95 (Boot manager is
    :>lost by now) & veryfing everything; boot from the OS/2 install disks ..
    :>abandon the install process to the A prompt after DISK1. Run FDISK & set
    :>the boot manager partition as starteable. Bingo. You are done & back as
    :>before, with Win95 instead of DOS.

    You can use Win95′s FDSIK to reactivate bootmanager too.  Just set that
    partition to ‘active’
    I just did this with a laptop.
     —
    Triak #35       "Eleven"
    5o5 #4936       "Mud Shark"                "Life’s a reach, then you gybe"

  9. admin says:

    In <683aoe$fg…@winter.news.erols.com>, mdec…@erols.com (Matt DeCaro) writes:

    >I have a C: with IBM DOS, and D: with OS/2 in an extended partition.  Is
    >it possible to install Win95 into a separate partition and preserve DOS?

    Sure.  Just remember each DOS partition has to be a Primary
    partition.

    >Is there an advantage to this?

    Well, it makes it much less likely for any of your operating
    systems to cause problems for the others.  That’s a plus!

    >I like having a primitive OS like
    >DOS that I can fall back on when my machinations in the more
    >complex OS’s screws something up!

    You can always use F8 at Win95′s boot-up to boot to a prior
    version of DOS if you installed Win95 on an existing DOS setup.
    If you installed Win95 to a different directory than /windows you
    can even still use your old version of Windows 3.1 if you like.

    But I find a small OS/2 maintenance partition to be more useful.

    -John (John.Thomp…@ibm.net)

  10. admin says:

    In <c1.2b8.2Jnd5d$0Y0@rhino_house.ibm.net>, nos…@savebandwidth.com   (John Thompson) writes:

    >You can always use F8 at Win95′s boot-up to boot to a prior
    >version of DOS if you installed Win95 on an existing DOS setup.
    >If you installed Win95 to a different directory than /windows you
    >can even still use your old version of Windows 3.1 if you like.

    If I do this, can I convert the existing drive to fat32?  If I do this,
    is it still accessible to OS/2?  I assume that fat32 allows long file
    names.

    >But I find a small OS/2 maintenance partition to be more useful.

    What exactly is this, and what is its use?

    //——————————————————————–
    // Matt DeCaro
    // mdec…@erols.com
    // deca…@jefline.tju.edu

  11. admin says:

    On 12/27/97 at 11:34 PM, mdec…@erols.com (Matt DeCaro) said:

    >In <c1.2b8.2Jnd5d$0Y0@rhino_house.ibm.net>,
    >nos…@savebandwidth.com (John Thompson) writes: >You can always use F8
    >at Win95′s boot-up to boot to a prior >version of DOS if you installed
    >Win95 on an existing DOS setup. >If you installed Win95 to a different
    >directory than /windows you >can even still use your old version of
    >Windows 3.1 if you like.
    >If I do this, can I convert the existing drive to fat32?  If I do this,
    >is it still accessible to OS/2?  I assume that fat32 allows long file
    >names.

    FAT32 allows the use of small cluster sizes, thus you get more useable
    formatted space in a large drive.. still the cause of some problems.. as I
    read the win95 newsgroups…..& it is NOT visible to OS/2 nor Dos. If the
    partition was visible before, your drive letters will change in those
    OS’s.

    —————————————
    Andrey Lasichuk (and…@promobility.net)
    —————————————

  12. admin says:

    On 27 Dec 1997 16:35:26 GMT, mdec…@erols.com (Matt DeCaro) wrote:

    G’day Matt,

    I have set up my machine with 3 primary partitions (C: drives), and a
    extended partition containing logical drives.

    1. I removed the OS/2 boot manager and using partition magic I created
    the above setup.

    2. I then set one of the primary partitions active and installed the
    OS I wanted on that particular C: drive. This I did for DOS, WIN95 and
    Warp V4 making the last installed partition inactive and the next
    active.

    3. Once finished I made the DOS C: drive active and installed "Power
    Boot" from bluesky innovations. This is shareware, and is very cheap
    to registerer, it also does not require a primary partition of it’s
    own as does Boot Manager. But must be installed from DOS.

    4. Once installed Power Boot showed all of my primary partitions and
    my logical drives. No intervention was required by me, the Power Boot
    program did it all.

    Hope this helps.

    It was not that hard. Just required a bit of forethought and planning.

    Cheers Manfred

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    >In <34a3f707$1$naqerl$mr2…@news.interramp.com>, c…@my.sig writes:
    >>On 12/26/97 at 10:03 AM, sper…@airmail.net (Darryl Sperber) said:

    >>>Only one problem here:  the C:\WINDOWS directory (with Win95) will be
    >>>seen by the OS/2 install and it will want to migrate the Windows parts
    >>>into WIN-OS/2. And unlike with Win3.1 on that other partition, this is
    >>>NOT GOOD if it’s Win95.

    >>>So my trick is simply to rename the Windows directory to C:\WIN95

    >>OOPS.. RIGHT!! forgot about that.  Thanks for that correction.

    >I have a C: with IBM DOS, and D: with OS/2 in an extended partition.  Is
    >it possible to install Win95 into a separate partition and preserve DOS?
    >Is there an advantage to this?      I like having a primitive OS like DOS
    >that I can fall back on when my machinations in the more complex OS’s
    >screws something up!

    >//——————————————————————–
    >// Matt DeCaro
    >// mdec…@erols.com
    >// deca…@jefline.tju.edu

  13. admin says:

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    In <34a5a3be$2$naqerl$mr2…@news.interramp.com>, c…@my.sig writes:
    >On 12/27/97 at 11:34 PM, mdec…@erols.com (Matt DeCaro) said:

    >>In <c1.2b8.2Jnd5d$0Y0@rhino_house.ibm.net>,
    >>nos…@savebandwidth.com     (John Thompson) writes: >You can always use F8
    >>at Win95′s boot-up to boot to a prior >version of DOS if you installed
    >>Win95 on an existing DOS setup. >If you installed Win95 to a different
    >>directory than /windows you >can even still use your old version of
    >>Windows 3.1 if you like.

    >>If I do this, can I convert the existing drive to fat32?  If I do this,
    >>is it still accessible to OS/2?  I assume that fat32 allows long file
    >>names.

    >FAT32 allows the use of small cluster sizes, thus you get more useable
    >formatted space in a large drive.. still the cause of some problems.. as I
    >read the win95 newsgroups…..& it is NOT visible to OS/2 nor Dos. If the
    >partition was visible before, your drive letters will change in those
    >OS’s.

    Can I have a separate partition that is fat32 to enable use of
    long names, and will win95 on a regular fat partition be able to use it?

    //——————————————————————–
    // Matt DeCaro
    // mdec…@erols.com
    // deca…@jefline.tju.edu

  14. admin says:

    In <34a68b92.8457…@news.senet.com.au>, mst…@senet.com.au (Manfred Strohmaier) writes:

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    >On 27 Dec 1997 16:35:26 GMT, mdec…@erols.com (Matt DeCaro) wrote:

    >G’day Matt,

    >I have set up my machine with 3 primary partitions (C: drives), and a
    >extended partition containing logical drives.

    >1. I removed the OS/2 boot manager and using partition magic I created
    >the above setup.

    >2. I then set one of the primary partitions active and installed the
    >OS I wanted on that particular C: drive. This I did for DOS, WIN95 and
    >Warp V4 making the last installed partition inactive and the next
    >active.

    >3. Once finished I made the DOS C: drive active and installed "Power
    >Boot" from bluesky innovations. This is shareware, and is very cheap
    >to registerer, it also does not require a primary partition of it’s
    >own as does Boot Manager. But must be installed from DOS.

    >4. Once installed Power Boot showed all of my primary partitions and
    >my logical drives. No intervention was required by me, the Power Boot
    >program did it all.

    >Hope this helps.

    >It was not that hard. Just required a bit of forethought and planning.

    >Cheers Manfred

    I already have partition magic.  Why not use Boot manager to do the same
    thing that power boot does?  The partition that it uses is quite small.

    //——————————————————————–
    // Matt DeCaro
    // mdec…@erols.com
    // deca…@jefline.tju.edu

  15. admin says:

    In <6843an$ph…@winter.news.erols.com>, mdec…@erols.com (Matt DeCaro) writes:

    >In <c1.2b8.2Jnd5d$0Y0@rhino_house.ibm.net>, nos…@savebandwidth.com       (John Thompson) writes:
    >>You can always use F8 at Win95′s boot-up to boot to a prior
    >>version of DOS if you installed Win95 on an existing DOS setup.
    >>If you installed Win95 to a different directory than /windows you
    >>can even still use your old version of Windows 3.1 if you like.
    >If I do this, can I convert the existing drive to fat32?  If I do this,
    >is it still accessible to OS/2?  I assume that fat32 allows long file
    >names.

    No.  Only Win95 OSR2 and newer recognizes FAT32.  

    >>But I find a small OS/2 maintenance partition to be more useful.
    >What exactly is this, and what is its use?

    It’s a minimal installation of OS/2 from which you can run
    utilities like CHKDSK or a tape recovery program.  You can do the
    same thing by booting from floppies, but the maintenance
    partition is much faster.  Look for an IBM EWS utility called
    BOOTOS2 to easily create such a partition.  BOOTOS2 offers a
    number of options, from creating a single bootable floppy to a
    minimal hard disk partition that boots to a command line (my
    preference), or various other options.

    -John (John.Thomp…@ibm.net)

  16. admin says:

    In message <684el3$9n…@winter.news.erols.com> – mdec…@erols.com (Matt
    DeCaro) writes:

    :>
    :>In <34a68b92.8457…@news.senet.com.au>, mst…@senet.com.au (Manfred Strohmaier) writes:
    :>>On 27 Dec 1997 16:35:26 GMT, mdec…@erols.com (Matt DeCaro) wrote:
    G’day Matt,

    :>I already have partition magic.  Why not use Boot manager to do the same
    :>thing that power boot does?  The partition that it uses is quite small

    Boot Manager must occupy one primary partition, leaving only two C: drives to
    install OS’s on.

    Originally I had OS/2 and WIN95 on two C: drives plus a extended partition
    containing 9 logical drives, and employed Boot Manager to select which OS I
    wanted to use, but I could not boot DOS.

    It was easier for me to keep OS/2 on the C: drive, remove Boot Manager, expand
    the Boot Manager Partition using Partition Magic, and install DOS to that
    partition, reboot into DOS then install Power Boot.

    I Suppose I could have re-installed OS/2 to a logical Drive and installed DOS
    onto the now vacant C: drive. But as I mentioned I wanted to preserve my OS/2
    boot drive on C:

    Cheers Manfred

    There is one safeguard, which is an advantage and security for all,
    but especially to democracies against despots.
    What is it? Distrust.
    Demosthenes (384 – 322BC).